iZ Technology Corporation

Hi folks,

After 2 yrs with my Radar 24 nyquist -- I am loving the worlflow, in combination with my console and outboard.

The holy grail of my final recording setup is a DAW that would seamlessly integrate with the RADAR. I want the DAW for sound creation (electronic music, keyboard sounds, orchestral etc),Video (yes video, I have clients that want music videos) mixing and mastering.

IZ has made the recording process a pleasure; now if IZ would only go this final step - it would be amazing.

Some people need Pro Tools; I dont. I am amazed by REAPER's small footprint and ease of use (I was up and running on my old crappy P4 in no time). The power of Native computers is obviously here. A dual quad core from ADK is what Im looking at. I already have great RADAR converters right? If there was some way for you guys to come up with a simple-stupid easy way to call up my radar tracks into Reaper -- perhaps IDEALLY on the RADAR itself -- or a simple way to import export on maybe a companion Native RADAR made PC? BASICALLY I would love for you guys to do the work of networking...blah blah blah....souncards....latency...blah blah....for me so that I CAN PAY IZ for the integration.

Am I crazy or does this seem like a great possible business line for you guys. Iknow you want to stay foccused on just the recorder. I dont think IZ has to get into DAW design, but how about simple RADAR -PC seemless integration -- a plug and play solution, turnkey to get RADAR to talk with REAPER, Native instruments in reaper, samplitude...whatever.....

DO the work for US and I would buy the PC from you guys plug in the RADAR to the new PC and voila!

In short how about a NATIVE integrated solution for us RADAR users that takes all the geek factor out of our hands?

Best,

Dave

Hi Dave,
We have been working with the guys at Reaper on integration.

With 3.40 software, you can take a RADAR backup and open that up in Reaper. Connect the RADAR and the Reaper DAW via Ethernet, and you can transfer the projects back and forth

As for Reaper, get a PC with RME MADI card, and connect an iZ ADA Converter via MADI to the Reaper PC.

dbluefield, like N.J. says, if you are running RADAR 3.4, you can open RADAR's *.rbak files up inside reaper. Just choose file open then hit the file type arrow to look for RADAR. You can also drop in the time stamped waves instead, in case you have a lot of takes not showing in the file.

There's a LOT of options for you to get realtime audio back and forth from your RADAR system, though its a bit tricky getting the same stable, instant, response you are used to on your RADAR. I think us computer guys build up a certain tolerance level

That said, the guys at ADK will certainly be able to get you up and running. The RME MADI or HDSP systems are a good bet if you've got the digital I/O on your RADAR.

If you need ANY help in a hurry with REAPER please feel free to drop in on the realtime reaper chatroom

http://www.mixxnet.net/java/?channel=reaper

HI NJ,

Yup I have already successfully opened a RADAR project in Reaper. (on my old P4 no less). Worked great (I only did one test so far).

I also started a drum track test in reaper with Addictive Drums free demo and exported to a CD and imported to RADAR -- It was very cool being able to break the separate AD sounds (bass drum, snare, OH etc) to separate Reaper tracks and then import to seperate radar tracks -- and then bring up drum tracks on separate faders on the console.

Is the ethernet connection the same thing I use for my cable modem? (stupid question I know). I guess I would back up a session file to the RADAR internal drive then look at that directory in Windows XP networked to the RADAR?

Also, I have been waiting for the madi option. With the RADAR madi card to the RME madi soundcard, can I use the RADAR converters to track directly into REAPER? Latency issues etc?

You see I already have all my console mic pre's normalled to the RADAR inputs.

I also want midi input for the PC (for keyboards triggers etc) - any ideas on that? I was looking at the MOTU stuff with ADK. I need to monitor the RME madi card as well. right?

Dave

Hi Dave,
Yes, ethernet is the same thing.
It would be better to run an FTP Server on your XP (Filezilla) and use the FTP client on RADAR. A drive "N:XP" would show up on your IMport/Export Backup/Restore options, to directly move sessions between platforms. http://www.izcorp.com/pdf/support/memos/RADAR-Network-Setup-with-WindowsXP.pdf

Using RADAR as a front end to Reaper (I wouldn't worry about latency):

RADAR as a Recorder is bi-directional:
24 Analog in -> RADAR A/D -> RADAR Hard Disk -> RADAR D/A -> 24 Analog out (and/or 24 Digital out)

RADAR as a Converter is NOT bi-directional:
24 Analog in -> RADAR A/D -> 24 Digital out to DAW -> 24 Digital in from DAW: All 24 inputs are used by the analog inputs so the path ends here. RADAR only has 24 inputs available at any one time and was not designed to be able to pass all 24 channels through to record on a DAW and simultaneously monitor all 24 channels back through RADAR to an analog mixing desk for example. You can use either 24 analog inputs or 24 digital inputs, or some mix of both, such as 12 digital and 12 analog - in which case you need to two RADAR units to achieve 24 fully bi-directional channels. This has been the major complaint from RADAR users who wish to use it as a converter.

Sometimes the Radar and or computer stuff is way over my head to figure out.

I just downloaded reaper and was playing around with it. I'd like to use the converters in the radar to try mulitrack recording with reaper. If I get a rme madi card, where does this connect on the radar end??

Needs to be a RADAR from December 2006 or newer to be able to use our MADI card. Otherwise you can back up projects and open them in Reaper (using the Proj.txt file). Thanks,

Can someone explain to me how to open files I have exported (from my radar 3.50 in bwav format to an external usb drive) in my reaper software??? I've tried everything and nothing is working. All I can get is a txt file to open all other extention are not supported according to reaper.

Should I be exporting them as wav files or as a Radar backup instead?

Hi,

It will open backups as long as they are from a BWAV formatted audio drive. Just Navigate to File->Open Project. Find the project on the USB drive under ProjectName_01-25_BWAV\RADAR System Files\PROJ00X-ProjectName.txt. Then click Open. If you are importing .wav files into Reaper just click on Insert->Media File. Highlight the files you want to import and click Open. Hopefully that helps. Thanks,

Hmmm, maybe I'm just too old to be trying to do this.

I did what you said, the txt seems to open a new file with locations for wav files etc. But when I go to insert media file I find no compatable files. All file extentions I see which i assume are the audio(and there are more than 100) have the file extention .snd I tried to open a few of these and just get an error message.

Possible I am not saving the files correctly to the external usb drive. I went to backup/and I believe backed them up as .bwav files. I tried again as .wav files and got exactly the same back up. Should I be backing them up differently? I've read the manual over and over all day and am drawing a complete blank. I thought possibly there was a way to save and open as a radar file which I read somewhere could be opened with reaper, but I can't figure out how to do it.

Wade wrote "It will open backups as long as they are from a BWAV formatted audio drive"

Can I do this with an external hard drive that I'm using to back up too??? I don't even know what a "formated audio drive" is. How does it differ from a normal hard drive??

This message has been edited. Last edited by: Delta Roots,

I think I may have discovered what my problem is . However the manual does not address how to fix it.

I did not initialize the external hard drive I am using via usb 2.0 port. When i go to init disk there is no option for drive E. I have 0-6 and B. My instincts tell me that most likely I should select 2 since drives 0 and 1 are installed in the drive bays. However I don't want to lose my lifes work either. So I'm asking first.

How do I go about initializing the external usb hard drive to FAT 32 with the Radar. Would this be drive 2 if 0 and 1 are used on board in the bays?

What version of RADAR software are you using? I assume 3.50 if you're using USB drives. Is the record drive initialized as a BWAV drive? Check in the bottom right hand corner where it says mode. If it says 96k it is a BWAV drive. 128k means it is a legacy formatted RADAR drive. Only a BWAV backup can be opened by Reaper. When you backup a BWAV drive on 3.40+ you should get the options: BWAV (No Undo), RADAR (With Undo), Both (BWAV+RADAR) and DSET (Legacy). If there aren't then the audio is not initialized as BWAV.

.snd files are from a non-BWAV RADAR backup and will not import into Reaper. You need to export BWAV/WAV files to be able to import them. Your USB drive should be FAT32 already since this is the standard formatting for USB sticks. The ability to format will be added in the next 3.50 update.

So to sum everything up: Reaper only opens RADAR backups from a 96k(BWAV)Audio drive. You can always export as BWAV/WAV from RADAR onto a USB drive and import into Reaper. If it's BWAV file it will spot to the correct timeline it just won't retain the track names or locate points like opening a backup. Let me know if you have any other questions. Thanks,

For anybody interested...I am currently exporting files with no problem from Radar to Reaper, using BWAV and FTP via Filezilla to my laptop.

Going the other way is not yet working..i.e. from reaper rendered wavs to radar. The radar FTP sees the file but cannot understand it. Per Barry's suggestion I am going to burn some reaper wavs to cd and try importing that way....(which kinda defeats the purpose of BWAV and FTP ...Ill post back with my results.

Best,

Dave

Hi Dave

did you successfully make the way back from REAPER -> RADAR by ftp ?

Thanks
Matt